Episode 65: Scrubbing the License | New Dad Gaming

[0:00] that cycle you can’t break it yeah then we’re having after another one what have we done [Music]

[0:16] the adult beverages are poor the kids are asleep welcome to new dad gaming show about fatherhood gaming and new fathers figuring out their gaming lives

[0:23] my name is trevor and i have a two-year-old and one on the way i had to think about it my name is gavin i have a one and a half

[0:32] year old and i’m jeff i have a six-year-old and a four-year-old yeah

[0:39] somebody as soon as that one-year-old i’m like oh that’s not the case one and a half well no like i’ve i chopped it off he’s now two

[0:47] and i was like well there’s a new one on that what how old is well he’s not an age he’s negative t minus negative

[0:55] t minus whatever was good launch date that’s right oh yeah i guess i’ll i’ll launch into it i

[1:03] think like the uh oh god let me let me spin your yarn it’s the cutest thing that has since happened um so

[1:17] it seems like my dog and my son have just like crossed this perfect like understanding or age group so he’s it seems like he’s mellowing the dog is

[1:27] mellow enough and the sun is mellow enough that he’s started to walk him so so we’ll go to the park and he wants

[1:34] to hold the leash the two of them just go like it’s right it’s darling it’s unbelievable and the dog’s fine because

[1:42] like all right cool i can just like i i’m a fan of this erratic behavior i don’t have to walk in a straight line this is great

[1:49] and the kid’s happy he’s like hey it’s a dog like he’s running around well and you have a pug right we’re not talking german shepherd yeah

[1:59] my son can now oh we could overpower this dog yeah like your son didn’t get lashed like a sled dog

[2:11] just drag it across but um and then additionally so then there’s in between parts so in the park itself it’s

[2:19] just you know chaos circles whatever but on the way in between it’s like sidewalks and sidewalks and

[2:26] kind of back roads whatever else and it’s this moment where he’s just walking by himself and he’s walking my dog

[2:34] and i’m not pushing him i’m not holding his hand i’m not chasing him like he’s just we’re just

[2:41] kind of all walking together in a straight line it’s just like oh that’s beautiful there’s no there’s no

[2:47] connection there’s no limitation it’s just like that and then the first thing that comes into my mind is damn it there’s another one on the way

[2:57] restart it’s like i’ve just achieved this moment which is like is this so assembled

[3:09] and the first thing my head just drifted to is like oh there’s another one right

[3:15] this is like a couple months then like it’s rape and then i have no idea how that works it’s just like unless he can push the

[3:22] stroller and somehow it’s good though because like now you know you’re in you’re in the clear with the first one that

[3:30] the the next one imagine trying to handle the

[3:37] the storm of a newborn when your firstborn

[3:44] wasn’t in the clear yet like when you’re first born hadn’t hit that that mellow plateau being like yeah dad i got this i know how to walk i know how to i’m i’m

[3:52] somewhat selfish if he was still like you had to carry or push or hold hand or things like that um

[3:59] on top of a newborn baby then it would be so like you know they’re silver lining there like right in the nick of time your sons hit this threshold like

[4:08] your sons hit this milestone of uh of being a little bit more independent and like it couldn’t have come at a better time because

[4:19] that’s when you need your son to be like all right just can you walk the dog you could we need some eggs

[4:31] he can’t speak but just actually he knows how to say egg was in spanish huevo he loves that yeah

[4:39] he’ll be fine so yeah yeah yeah so not to think of it negatively but it was just the funny thing i’ve had

[4:46] a similar thought but in a negative light in the sense that he’s currently regressed everywhere else

[4:55] he um as i was lamenting before we start recording is that he’s his bedtime has now shifted anywhere from 9 00 p.m to 10 30 p.m

[5:04] so late his nap’s like incredibly late in the afternoon he’s not he’s not eating anything i don’t know how he’s not

[5:11] a skeleton because he just doesn’t need any food it’s mostly just like milk and cheese and yogurt what is what is that like

[5:19] because my kids eat everything i would trade you i would trade you so fast i have no food in the house because they eat everything i’m so hungry

[5:32] my kid my kid is we have to give her her meal like like a bite at a time like individual things on her tray because if she doesn’t if she decides that she

[5:44] doesn’t want to eat oranges all the oranges are off the tray so if we give her all of that because but

[5:51] then midway through the meal should decide that oh i do want oranges now but her way of telling us she doesn’t want oranges is to just clear her

[5:58] whatever’s in front of her so if we give her all her food at once and one of many items on there is something she didn’t want

[6:05] her response is to throw everything off so we have to stagger

[6:12] and like but then a lot of it winds up before i’m looking forward to when she uh she has moments where she’s just like i’m like

[6:19] where are you putting this but most of the time it’s a bit of a battle to get her to eat it’s the same with you trevor it’s a lot of milk and

[6:27] cheese she loves that is crazy to me like we go to restaurants and those buffets they’re like they look at these kids like oh my god we’re losing

[6:35] so much money they eat at a buffet man yeah man like they wolf that stuff down that’s the cheapest

[6:42] night we could do is a buffet you’re packing it for two kids i remember when i was a kid i’d go to buffets and i would uh

[6:52] i remember i would turn some heads because i wasn’t a very big kid but i just like must have like a hollow leg or

[6:57] something exactly yeah that was the same my parents would be like all right we’re going to a buffet

[7:04] save some money yeah that’s right yeah so now it’s the summer i mean so it’s it’s funny because we

[7:11] also think that like this regression is almost well timed it’s almost like it’s better to deal with it now

[7:18] because if he regressed as soon as the baby showed up you know just be new baby chaos old baby chaos baby chaos

[7:26] just like across the board so we’re thankful for that but uh gents how was your week oh and i didn’t play anything like that

[7:34] [Laughter] the game was like just a summarize mine uh i i turned on nathan drake or uncharted

[7:45] spun it up like maybe five minutes i’m like well that was nice put it down and walk the other room gentlemen yourselves how was your week

[7:55] in fatherhood in gaming uh well i i finished uh uncharted 4. nice okay so my disc stopped spinning does it

[8:04] all does it all turn well well you can’t say that it was a very fun adventure yeah and uh i will say it’s got one of the

[8:12] best epilogues i’ve seen in the game um i even like like my wife stayed up late to watch it

[8:21] uh because she’s like oh how’s this ending like so um it was it was that engrossing of a narrative so

[8:28] it does have a very satisfying uh conclusion so yeah i really enjoyed it um and uh

[8:36] i uh this week uh you’ll be happy to hear trevor i finally dip my toe in no man’s sky yeah

[8:45] yeah i got it for a really good price and i’m like yeah i’ll roll the dice on that price

[8:51] and uh yeah i it’s very pleasant like it’s very pleasing it’s a very uh

[8:59] calm meditative experience like i like it it’s it’s a fun sort of just i just want to explore and go new planet and see new

[9:07] plants and animals and find new resources and stuff and like slowly try to improve on things uh the one thing is every time i go to

[9:15] space station i see all these ships i’m like oh that was so much nicer how much it cost oh okay yeah so this reminds me of real life okay

[9:25] like that whole keeping up with the joneses except you have a galaxy of joneses um

[9:30] yeah i know i’ve been it’s been a very uh pleasurable experience so i’ve i’ve been i’ve been taking it it’s fun um and i picked up two other games um

[9:40] uh the infamous uh first light oh yeah that little spin-off one it’s a good one yeah i’ve never played an infamous game

[9:50] in for a treat yep i’m excited and i picked up god of war iii um uh because i never got a chance to play

[9:57] the third one i played the first two on the ps2 but then i missed the ps3 generation okay let’s give that a shot

[10:05] um and as far as dad stuff goes uh last week um

[10:11] i got some extra time to hang out with the with my daughter uh unfortunately it was because my wife was sick um so i i took a couple

[10:20] extra days off work last week um but it was nice we got some bonus quality time together uh there’s a class that she takes at the local community

[10:29] center like she takes two classes there a week um they’re just sort of like little activity classes and uh one of them my wife does and one of them i do

[10:38] uh but this week i got to do both um it was kind of cool um yeah and then lots of uh getting things ready for

[10:47] mother’s day and all that fun stuff so um we had a nice uh a nice sunday uh visited my parents um went to a nice uh like classic diner for a good brunch um

[10:59] in a uh just over in oshawa there uh which is near toronto for those of you who are not aware of the greater toronto area um so yeah really good diner food

[11:09] i got a reuben we got a favorite uh and our daughter ate lots of french fries and

[11:16] put lots of french fried grease in her hair um but she was a she was a trooper she was very playful with my mom and dad

[11:22] which was which was good to see and uh and yeah and i got to spoil the wife a little bit um my big gift to her was um

[11:32] i cleaned up the accident that my daughter had in the bathtub all right that was that was the big present

[11:42] i handled it but uh i wrapped it in a bow fun fact not my first time cleaning fecal matter out of bathtub so uh i can say i’ve never had

[11:53] experience um well we first moved into we moved into an apartment a while back and they had a sewage issue and we were

[12:01] on the first floor so we were the front line of the sewage issue and i had to basically the bathtub had stuff coming into it

[12:12] including the stuff i’d have to build from the toilet so it wouldn’t go on the floor it was nice

[12:19] it sounds so bad oh wow ow okay so anyway so i took one for the team because i’m like whatever i’ve seen

[12:27] worse so that was before kids right like yeah so just you’re like whatever dirty diaper [ __ ]

[12:35] these mine made this yeah oh yeah no my my tolerance for that sort of stuff going into parenthood like i had a very high tolerance because like you know my

[12:44] first job was a bus boy like this when you peel a pancake off the bottom of your shoe like you get a pretty strong stomach

[12:53] then you eat it you know hey you’re not that great jeff how about yourself

[13:02] uh yeah it was pretty um i guess calm weekend for mother’s day for dadding um the kids uh we got um the mom a coffee in the morning

[13:13] coffee and some cards and pictures and the they make all sorts of crazy stuff at school now so they brought that all home

[13:19] keep that to where your job is done it’s like yeah thanks school wow you’re still on so but this is where the eating comes in

[13:28] uh we got brunch to have a whole bunch of fruit and um breads and stuff so we ate all that and then we went to grandma’s

[13:38] and they had a full pasta italian lunch so they ate two lunches a brunch and a lunch and then

[13:46] got home and wanted more they wanted dessert which they don’t have lunch dessert but that’s lunch number

[13:54] three if they wanted it uh we said no but they didn’t like that so they just eat meat meat i don’t get it

[14:00] so and they’re the same age too like was your oldest that insatiable when he was young oh yeah yeah he was is that like and it hasn’t

[14:10] stopped since like it’s got to be genetic or something i mean i don’t i don’t think i was like that but yeah i don’t remember you being

[14:18] insatiable though like all the years we hung out like i don’t remember like oh there goes eating jeff like no there he’s going again

[14:26] where is he putting it not the pain jeff come on stop eating i don’t i don’t get it so they have like bottomless pits that we just

[14:34] is the money pit that we shovel food into just money you have to grocery shop twice a week it

[14:42] becomes an issue um but in terms of uh gaming um i played a couple more vr demos um static where

[14:52] you have your hands kind of in this puzzle block it’s almost like one of those finger traps and you have to kind of look around

[14:59] to figure it out figure out the puzzle that’s kind of neat um it’s kind of trippy too because you kind of feel like your hands are tied

[15:05] because they’re tied to the controller right so you kind of feel like you’re in the game looking at this puzzle so that was a kind of neat one

[15:12] um and then i played a bunch of dirt rally vr again uh because it’s awesome and i downloaded

[15:19] that prey demo so i got a taste of that um it was quite different than what i was expecting but it was a neat little demo you don’t see

[15:27] too many demos nowadays so uh that was almost a treat to have right oh like it was really cool to play a demo it’s like when i played it as well

[15:36] i was like i miss this like i miss just like i remember on my 360 i downloaded a whole bunch of demos and i just played them

[15:44] and then if they won me over i’d buy the game and it was a very system it was more reliable than reviews like i would it had a better effect on me than seeing

[15:53] positive reviews i’m shocked developers aren’t doing it anymore i’m not sure kind of why that drifted away but i don’t know like even on ps3 when

[16:01] um ps plus came out uh you could do full trial demos so you get an hour with the full game um and that was a like a perk of the system that doesn’t happen

[16:11] anymore it’s just you might get a discount on the full game so it’s 78 bucks instead of 89. whatever it is now

[16:19] when you just say it out loud it’s like oh that’s so pricey for a game a little expensive but which is even i guess more reason to do demos you know like if

[16:28] they’re becoming a bigger investment so it’s like you’re going to want to hook your audience like maybe a lot more hesitation although

[16:35] when you see sales numbers like some of your aaa studios are pushing it’s like well obviously it’s not affecting too much so no

[16:42] people buy everything remember like the ps1 we got a ps1 fairly early we didn’t buy a lot of games for it so

[16:50] like that demo disc like we almost wore that thing through oh yeah we played that thing so much i love demo discs

[16:58] you remember okay this is this is going way back and uh like all you young listeners

[17:08] go to the hearth and uh you young and gather around the fire you know way back when uh in the days of pc gamer

[17:18] magazine um i remember buying that magazine and it would come with a demo disc um like every issue uh there’d be a demo

[17:27] disc and on that demo disc was just a bunch of nice little pc demos uh sometimes you really like hit the lottery and be like oh yeah this is gold

[17:36] it’s like i got like four real solid ones on here um but yeah i remember that like that was a really good way to keep like

[17:45] back then too like we didn’t have vlogs like and and gaming news sites and things like that um it was all

[17:53] this stuff where they grind up trees and they smush it really small and then they put ink on it and then they put little metal bits to

[18:01] hold all those things together now they grab they grab octop octopi and they just like squeeze out holy

[18:08] chisel it in stone to let you know what new technology um but yeah i remember that there was something kind of

[18:16] neat about there was a sense of discovery and i think we lose that by not having demos like even if it’s a download off the you know the network

[18:23] that’s cool yeah um i think pc games still do it a little bit which is nice but i wish it was more of it i guess now we have early access but that’s like you

[18:31] still pay to get in yeah um but having that free little sample to be like it’s like a moose boosh and it gets you all like like i like this i mean i want some

[18:41] more you can expose you to other things too right like a lot of the stuff that you wouldn’t have touched you could yeah look at and

[18:49] i don’t get into and genres that you would normally never really gravitate towards yeah this is a cup of tea but i don’t know i’ll give it a shot why not

[18:58] and he’s like i really like this and it wouldn’t matter how many good reviews you would have read about that game you still wouldn’t have done it

[19:05] because your assumptions were i don’t like that but then you try it you’re like yeah this is totally good yeah

[19:11] there is a story behind it because i mean the with the prey demo like clearly that i imagine that was on playstation

[19:19] all right the other way i did yeah yeah so so clearly it’s capable like the the network and the system supports it so like what’s

[19:28] the hold up from [Music] everybody just doing the demo like why would why would people not release one

[19:33] level is it like timelines are so tight that you have no time to possibly maybe demos like honestly about a decent little

[19:40] chunk of work to get like that one totally contained yeah it’s like this is all you’re

[19:47] getting it’s tough because like even with prey they don’t have a pc demo oh that’s weird i don’t think there’s a

[19:55] fully explained one oh because of the steam refund that’s what they said people hated that yeah they’re like yeah

[20:02] just play it and if you don’t like it use the steam refund yeah or you could just make a demo

[20:08] that you playstation and xbox um yeah so that was kind of weird uh

[20:17] yeah i don’t know like is it because you have a lot of games that are releasing right up to the wire and they don’t have a stable enough demo build and they

[20:25] don’t want to dedicate the resource compartmentalized content in a manner that’s digestible for a demo um

[20:32] but like i don’t know like demos have sold me on games like i’m i’m probably gonna pick up pranks i really like the demo

[20:39] um just cause two i played that demo more than i played most games and then i bought the game and played it

[20:48] so uh yeah yeah it’s i don’t know i i really don’t know it’s got to be sales drone it has to be because why wouldn’t you keep the

[20:55] hype train going like here’s a demo to tide you over and go unless assets aren’t ready to go and

[21:01] then that’s kind of scary that they’re working up the last minute stamping like you see that with a lot like just cause three

[21:08] like those load times and they had to patch it in you see a lot of games being finished with patches so like no wonder they don’t have a demo

[21:15] it’s not done yet [Laughter] well day one patch right like most games now

[21:22] and the size of the size of the download for the update especially if you bought the disc yeah it’s like day one update like 12

[21:29] gigs and you’re like yeah is that is it a blank disc like what what is on it’s like

[21:35] like this this can’t even hold 12 look unheard it’s like they’re like they’re doing all these day one patches i think because it is just a matter of like

[21:43] they’re working to the 11th hour so no wonder there’s no demo because they just it wasn’t finished yet like yeah and yeah you see like how much

[21:52] content has to get downloaded day one like it’s it’s it makes you wonder like what is actually on the disc like yeah is it is it just blank is this a coaster

[22:00] is it just like a branded poster for drm like is that the only reason i have this thing kind of um

[22:08] that kind of transitions interestingly to a story in the news that came about recently with gaming

[22:15] where specifically alan wake um a game from she’s five years ago six yeah

[22:24] yeah five or six years ago it has been announced that that game will not be sold not actually and i’m sure like i like

[22:31] many people kind of misread the story i thought it would just like if anybody would even download it was going to lose it

[22:37] but instead of the case they’re do they will not sell any more copies of this game as of a certain date so it’s going to

[22:44] physical copy’s gone you can’t go to steam and buy it because i believe gavin you might have a better

[22:50] story on i understand it’s a licensing issue with music yeah the um the music in the game uh it was only licensed for a certain

[23:00] period of time i don’t think they actually had it set in the contract to be in perpetuity so like because of that

[23:08] um that expired and i i imagine the publisher was just like well

[23:16] we we couldn’t afford to pay for a perpetuity license from the the content provider back then

[23:24] and how much would it be to extend the license and they were probably like it’s going to cost you this much and then the

[23:31] developers of alan wake are like well what are our projected sales past this point like this game is pretty old not many people are buying it

[23:40] anymore and it’s like do we pay to keep this alive for the 12 people who might buy it this

[23:47] year or do we let this thing like is is everybody who’s enjoyed it have it already is everybody cool all

[23:55] right well then we can close up shop um from what i believe or whatever what i understand is that like yeah if you

[24:02] bought the game like it’s yours like i have a copy on steam um and uh i believe i should still be able to re-download it to my hard drive because i do have it

[24:12] like they can still support that content they just can’t sell so

[24:22] and it’s the same with um uh like abandonware games and stuff where it’s like the games are so old that like people don’t even care about

[24:30] their sale like the people who had the licenses and stuff like the licenses expired but then they just it’s nobody cares because they’re just

[24:39] antiques now um so you see that a lot with like you know online you can find a lot of them abandoned more games

[24:46] um yeah it’s licensing is a weird thing because the same thing happened with or a similar

[24:52] thing happened i should say with deadpool a few years back i think it was in 2015.

[24:58] it was when disney acquired marvel um and during that there was some licensing issue with deadpool

[25:06] especially with the deadpool deadpool video game and they had to pull all the copies off the shelves you had to pull it from the

[25:12] online store fronts and everything deadpool the game disappeared and anybody was lucky enough to snag a copy because apparently it’s a fun game um

[25:20] that was it that was their copy but they wouldn’t sell any copies and then after the dust settled from all that transition between marvel

[25:28] and disney a couple years later it’s back up on the e-shops and and all that and i think you can actually buy physical copies for the ps4 and xbox one

[25:37] so it was like this weird little like like everything’s fine so you never know like maybe there’ll be like uh an allen wait crittorian edition come

[25:46] out like three years from now yeah they’re like yeah it’s all just marketing so it’s just this big ploy to get people to you know

[25:55] kind of gotta buy this now i’ll never get it again and then they release it like yeah like you said five years

[26:01] the grand remastering it all comes down to like licensing is basically the right to use material right so like for game company

[26:11] they have all these different assets that come in and usually it’s a work for higher contract with the people providing the content

[26:17] which means whatever work you do for us while you’re with us it’s our property it’s very common practice it happens like with comic books and movies and

[26:26] everything um on occasion though uh especially with music that was created for something other than the game like music that was

[26:33] just created for the sake of creating music uh for example like with bands and stuff when they go to license that music um

[26:41] sometimes that’s just for a shorter duration of time especially if like the publisher doing the game only had a certain budget

[26:50] for licensed music and that budget could only acquire them a few years of usage as opposed to larger studios which might be able to

[27:00] just buy the usage of that outright for the lifespan of the game however long that is um i’m not sure like how grand theft

[27:08] auto does it i’m guessing that they are pretty adamant about having unlimited usage rights to the content that they purchase

[27:16] um i i read into the grand theft auto because i was curious i was like it’s got a whole radio system right hot scoop

[27:24] tons right now what blew my mind is that back in the day on ps2 i played grand theft auto san andreas like loved it awesome game

[27:35] great track every radio station had its own like hip hop r b pop everything i downloaded it

[27:43] on ios so an iphone game for like six bucks a couple years ago because i wanted san andreas on my iphone because that’s awesome i was

[27:50] playing around with it and it’s pretty good right all the stations work everything so when alan wayne came up i’m like well

[27:57] what other games has had this happen apparently in san andreas on the iphone they just got rid of like 15 tracks or something

[28:07] so when i was playing it i never really noticed because i don’t know i figured it was just randomized like the radio system is all like random songs come on

[28:14] so i’m like no maybe it you know it just didn’t happen but apparently on the steam version um they just released a patch and it

[28:22] just took all those away so it was like an underhanded like oh no they’re gone like they only had a seven year license for these games

[28:31] so they didn’t know if the shelf life would last for seven years so my dvd of san andreas for the pc yeah don’t update it

[28:49] yeah it goes to show like physical copies and their value right right so what’s like what’s the

[28:56] next step right like i’ve invested a lot in digital just because like i’m lazy i don’t care to go to a store and buy it

[29:04] uh even though amazon can ship to your door um usually digital is just easier it’s there i can buy it in you know one

[29:11] second and a couple hours later i can least play like the first part of it so it’s just i don’t know what they’ve said that you when you actually

[29:19] download the digital version it it says like sony is licensing it to you so they can revoke that at any time which you know blah blah blah terms of service

[29:29] whatever like i don’t care okay give me the game so i guess they could yank it out from you with some flack i’m sure i don’t think

[29:36] they’ll ever do it but it might be the same scoop it just feels like this is the first time like i’m curious to see where this goes because

[29:43] yeah like if you wanted to show your kit you bought this game way back when you want to show it to them and now all you go back it’s

[29:50] like but i bought this like i had it in my steam live area or my playstation yep and you know especially like at our age like

[29:57] the the kid the ages of our kids where any really great like i want we want to show them a journey you know like it

[30:05] like you got to see this like this this is fantastic like that won’t work yeah with the connection on that that won’t work well

[30:12] okay maybe not not necessarily even like last light or like anything not last yeah first light second sun right

[30:19] uh gravity rush like any of these things you’re just like you know i i love i still love this game and i just want you to experience it too so here it is and

[30:26] it’s removed from your library like that’s the the threshold around um you have a physical copy of it okay like you’re well no good example though

[30:36] pt right that demo yeah right they yank that out of the store and i i saved it on my hard drive just in case and then it’s not back in there

[30:45] so that’s one example of they just pulled it they just didn’t want it there anymore like konami said nope yeah the one i’m waiting for those like when

[30:52] it’s like you you had it in your library and it disappears but then there was just such a massive licensing problem that

[31:00] it’s no longer in your library like you don’t you can’t even download it if you wanted to it like i said like if um

[31:06] you never know i i don’t know what you guys added obviously i’ve myself my friends i never really saw much like a passing of the torch of

[31:14] games like i didn’t have any friends who like received like a great game package for their dad who like played a whole lot like

[31:23] the sun it’s just hard driving my son it’s just like it’s hard drives it’s just it’s just a piece to pay for

[31:30] the username and password for steam they don’t even have hard drives in the future they’re just like what do i do with this

[31:36] but the um we assume that people are gonna want our junk you know it’s like

[31:44] it’s like baseball cards right it’s just like you can’t walk up to like a 14 year old to get them stoked to give them an n64

[31:52] with mario kart like it would be awesome with gold knight yeah

[31:57] because they they they would look up at you they look away from their switch long enough to look at you and give you like what are you talking about and they

[32:04] go back to playing the new mario kart yeah yeah or the over the world one that got re-released for more money yeah i suppose it’s it’s

[32:14] it’s an entertainment medium um it’s if you want it as a collector’s item then get the collecting collector’s

[32:24] edition um if you want to experience it much like most entertainment mediums like with like television and stuff like

[32:34] sure you could record everything off your tv you’d have like a warehouse full of old vhs tapes whatever i guess if you want to if you

[32:42] feel like quoting the content um but i think a lot of times with digital media it is more of like

[32:48] paying for your ticket it’s just a very long ticket a semi-permanent ticket but it’s still a

[32:56] ticket um it’s not a physical possession it’s a license to use um

[33:05] if you want a physical possession of it like there are avenues to do that but with this particular medium um

[33:14] you know it’s like the difference between people who have like people who like vinyl and collect vinyl but also still

[33:19] have a digital music collection that digital community music collection is like yeah these are songs i like them great if a few of them disappear it’s on

[33:26] the underworld their vinyl collection if somebody sneezes near it they’ll lose their mind so it’s what is

[33:35] which of your collection is most precious to you what components are worth keeping and what are were

[33:41] you know what what won’t really ruin your day if they’re not there i just think if um if there ever had been

[33:49] a argument where like games could be something that was like passed on like from uh within a much like a vinyl collection

[33:56] that you could inherit from your father or like a mother um if there ever had been a thought of it

[34:02] and i’d never heard of it but if there had ever been a thought that like oh you could inherit or pass along games to steam account number

[34:12] even if it had ever been a thing it’s just like the way like these cur the way the current conversations are going is just like yeah that’s not no yeah it’s

[34:19] not this is not a thing like i don’t know that this medium will have any permanence enough to like last any type of generation from anything we’re seeing

[34:27] no yeah if anything too is like it’d be it’d be almost better suited to have some form of a

[34:38] a licensing immune archive like at least just some way of preserving the content and not having its existence

[34:49] disappear due to illegality because somebody didn’t want to pay somebody else yeah um like you know you wouldn’t

[34:57] it’d be like if a few renaissance paintings never made it to the ufc because the medici family was like

[35:05] well the terms of use for this fresco is gone so somebody get a chisel and wipe it off the wall um

[35:13] i patented that red you used to take out all the red yeah yeah exactly pantone kicks of the louvre and starts ripping down

[35:22] anything using their pantone color um yeah it’s it’s weird it’s like trying to figure out where

[35:28] legal right of use and uh archival permanence

[35:34] um where they sit you know and when we get into a digital medium

[35:40] whether it be comic books or video games or film or what have you how do we archive that to share it with future generations

[35:50] not just our own kids but uh the next generation of people who will be making this content they need to see where it started you know much like

[36:00] our history museum for an artist like we need stuff that helps us see our past and if it all just sort of gets

[36:09] uh you know deleted um because of some thing in the contract that didn’t quite

[36:16] get signed right it’d be a shame you know uh and if we could yeah i just yeah it’s just not just how quickly things can um go

[36:27] down when some parties hold licenses that can kill oh my gosh it’s cause i mentioned goldeneye isn’t

[36:35] it yeah this is kind of a softball i guess uh

[36:42] everybody i think we’ll wrap it up on that note thank you everybody for listening this has been new dad gaming if you’d like to

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[37:22] have a two-year-old and one on the way my name is gavin i have a one and a half year old and i’m jeff i have a six-year-old and a

[37:30] four-year-old all right thanks gents have a good week see ya watch this episode before we yank

[37:37] it we didn’t buy the rights to the music yeah you guys only have license uh for uh my voice on this

[37:49] copyright claim my my views express expire i’ll have to go through the best part is

[37:55] like we still own his image so we just have to go through and like replace it with another voice redub it okay just read it oh i just i’ve never thought

[38:02] that really the licensing was all that important i’ll tell you i would just like we’ll shoot you up for our octaves and

[38:11] like we’ll still get past it an edit loophole it’ll be like that um i don’t know if you guys have ever seen like the um

[38:20] ghetto paw patrol videos on youtube of college so to get past the content

[38:29] of the algorithm or whatever they algorithm yeah so the worst i saw is they slowed it down i don’t know ryder so it couldn’t take

[38:39] up the words that’s funny and then they added like a bubble so like the bubble effect to the video the whole thing’s like bulging in the

[38:50] middle of the screen and it’s slow motion that is just like what like it is why would you watch it why would your kid watch that it’s gonna be like oh my

[38:58] god the only reason i saw it because my kid was watching it my wife had found it on youtube and just put it on and he was like he

[39:06] was fine with it i’m like all right well it’s one way to get it i guess like we have netflix like we don’t have to do this

[39:15] it was it was painful it was hard to watch so anyways that’s how we’ll get around you gavin don’t worry

[39:24] i wonder if alan wake can get around its thing with a uh just like hire a cover band or something or just i just go full bore like kevin

[39:34] place it like benny hill music so you can’t sing it all though trevor we don’t have the license to use yet he’ll pick up on it

[39:44] those six notes i stopped just just short you’re shy you know what the worst of it is for it’s um and i noticed on netflix scrubs

[39:53] have you watched scrubs they changed eight songs in there that completely changed the comedy and it’s only the netflix ones and i

[40:03] won’t watch it because it completely changes the like the moment wow

[40:08] it’s it’s stupid because the licensing it’s not even the same tone like they they’re that no

[40:16] i will go find the song list and what they replaced it with and if you’ve seen it before you’ll understand you’ll be like

[40:22] no that no that wasn’t so it could be like if they replaced the classic like seinfeld going on yeah like beer bottle

[40:33] [Laughter] call me judge not the same now i want to see that

[40:44] coming up i think we need some jug music in our intro let’s be honest [Music] ah